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		<title>Comment on The World is Scary and if You&#8217;re Not Scared, You Better Start Being Scared by fwoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, if you do get around to that would you please link to that entry here? I&#039;d really appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, if you do get around to that would you please link to that entry here? I&#8217;d really appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The World is Scary and if You&#8217;re Not Scared, You Better Start Being Scared by Richard Estes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Estes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the social reasons for the left&#039;s demise in the US, and the failure of people to revisit it,  is a complex subject

I can&#039;t deal with it right now, it has to with the things like the left&#039;s wild swings between radicalism and an uncritical embrace of the electoral process since the 1960s, as well as the draining of any class content from any anti-establishment politics and the fossilization of the trade union movement, but if I get the chance I will post on it on my blog someday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the social reasons for the left&#8217;s demise in the US, and the failure of people to revisit it,  is a complex subject</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t deal with it right now, it has to with the things like the left&#8217;s wild swings between radicalism and an uncritical embrace of the electoral process since the 1960s, as well as the draining of any class content from any anti-establishment politics and the fossilization of the trade union movement, but if I get the chance I will post on it on my blog someday<br />
<span class="cluv">&#8211;Richard Estes\&#8217;s last blog post: <a href="http://amleft.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html#6808434215932558711">The Legacy of Marla Ruzicka</a></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Like a Mosque to the Flame by fwoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, JRB!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Like a Mosque to the Flame by JRB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!</description>
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		<title>Comment on The World is Scary and if You&#8217;re Not Scared, You Better Start Being Scared by fwoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, I&#039;m really happy for your comment! It made me realize I had linked to the wrong post of JRB&#039;s. The post is now fixed (http://ladypoverty.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-tea-party-gets-right.html) and in its comments I say almost the exact same thing as you have here. While it was easy to come up with a plethora of reasons why they are doing well, it was harder for me to understand why we are not. The second half of my this post was me trying to flesh out the reasons for the Left&#039;s lack of &quot;success.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I&#8217;m really happy for your comment! It made me realize I had linked to the wrong post of JRB&#8217;s. The post is now fixed (<a href="http://ladypoverty.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-tea-party-gets-right.html" rel="nofollow">http://ladypoverty.blogspot.com/2010/08/what-tea-party-gets-right.html</a>) and in its comments I say almost the exact same thing as you have here. While it was easy to come up with a plethora of reasons why they are doing well, it was harder for me to understand why we are not. The second half of my this post was me trying to flesh out the reasons for the Left&#8217;s lack of &#8220;success.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The World is Scary and if You&#8217;re Not Scared, You Better Start Being Scared by Richard Estes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Estes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to JRB&#039;s question isn&#039;t really that difficult.  The Tea Party is financed by the Fortune 500, and the left isn&#039;t, so, of course, it is better organized, and, on top of that, it gets very friendly media coverage no matter how many people show up for an event.  Contrast the attention the Tea Party gets with immigration rights advocates, who often turn out as many or more people to public events.

That&#039;s not all of it. But it should be acknowledged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to JRB&#8217;s question isn&#8217;t really that difficult.  The Tea Party is financed by the Fortune 500, and the left isn&#8217;t, so, of course, it is better organized, and, on top of that, it gets very friendly media coverage no matter how many people show up for an event.  Contrast the attention the Tea Party gets with immigration rights advocates, who often turn out as many or more people to public events.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not all of it. But it should be acknowledged.<br />
<span class="cluv">&#8211;Richard Estes\&#8217;s last blog post: <a href="http://amleft.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html#6808434215932558711">The Legacy of Marla Ruzicka</a></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Capital: Volume One, For The First Time by fwoan</title>
		<link>http://forwantofanail.com/2010/05/capital-volume-one-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>fwoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael, I&#039;ve seen Wheen&#039;s book before but have read neither of them. What don&#039;t you like about Harvey&#039;s writing? I kind of like his style. Next time I&#039;m in my local bookshop, I&#039;ll try a couple pages from the both of them if I can find it!

Also, let&#039;s try and keep the character assassination to a minimum. This comment section is too tense as it is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, I&#8217;ve seen Wheen&#8217;s book before but have read neither of them. What don&#8217;t you like about Harvey&#8217;s writing? I kind of like his style. Next time I&#8217;m in my local bookshop, I&#8217;ll try a couple pages from the both of them if I can find it!</p>
<p>Also, let&#8217;s try and keep the character assassination to a minimum. This comment section is too tense as it is!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Capital: Volume One, For The First Time by Michael Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CF is in the trade of heaping scorn on the most vital and liberating thinkers, claiming they merely belabor the obvious.  He also likes to suggest that he himself is a superior source.

Meanwhile, have you seen these?

http://www.amazon.com/Read-Karl-Marx-Ernst-Fischer/dp/0853459746

http://www.amazon.com/Marxs-Das-Kapital-Biography-Changed/dp/0802143946/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1281559805&amp;sr=1-3

Both are excellent, and their authors write way more clearly than David Harvey does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CF is in the trade of heaping scorn on the most vital and liberating thinkers, claiming they merely belabor the obvious.  He also likes to suggest that he himself is a superior source.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, have you seen these?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Read-Karl-Marx-Ernst-Fischer/dp/0853459746" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Read-Karl-Marx-Ernst-Fischer/dp/0853459746</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Marxs-Das-Kapital-Biography-Changed/dp/0802143946/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1281559805&amp;sr=1-3" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Marxs-Das-Kapital-Biography-Changed/dp/0802143946/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1281559805&amp;sr=1-3</a></p>
<p>Both are excellent, and their authors write way more clearly than David Harvey does.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Empathic Civilization by CF Oxtrot</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF Oxtrot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would attribute mine to two things, one of which can be implemented socially.

1) Whatever I inherited, brain-mind-psychology-wise, from my parents as a genetic gift.

2) My education K-6 at a private school that encouraged individual student development and fostered an environment where intellectual curiosity and learning were valued, rather than mocked-scorned-disdained.

From 7-12 I went to public schools where I saw the pride-in-ignorance attitude well on display.  I think that attitude came both from the public school environment itself, and the families from which those proudly ignorant kids came.  Which is the primary cause, the family or the public school to which the family sends its kids?  Dunno, good question.  One thing I know is that the kids I went to K-6 with, they came from families who wanted their kids to LEARN and I don&#039;t recall a single classmate who sought or treasured that proudly ignorant status.  And I don&#039;t think my lack of recollection is due to a bad memory; I think that&#039;s how it really was.

I&#039;m afraid public schools have grown much, much worse.  My present job is serving as a counselor of sorts to kids in middle and high school, and the crap that passes for &quot;education&quot; in the public schools in my town... ridiculous.  It&#039;s more like a breeding ground for apathetic ignorance.

The process of changing social attitudes in this field we&#039;re discussing, it&#039;s not a quick-turnaround project.  It&#039;s a generational project, one that would require teaching in a totally different manner.  I think Socratic learning is the best, at least for those whose intellectual capacities will tolerate it.  If it were up to me to create an educational system for Americans, I would make Socratic learning the centerpiece of such teaching.  By its very nature, Socratic Method encourages independent, self-reliant analysis of the subject matter, it encourages self-confidence, it encourages curiosity, it encourages one to have the type of mind that is skeptical, holistic, and eager to learn.

The main problem I see with that approach is that most public school teachers I know don&#039;t want to work that hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would attribute mine to two things, one of which can be implemented socially.</p>
<p>1) Whatever I inherited, brain-mind-psychology-wise, from my parents as a genetic gift.</p>
<p>2) My education K-6 at a private school that encouraged individual student development and fostered an environment where intellectual curiosity and learning were valued, rather than mocked-scorned-disdained.</p>
<p>From 7-12 I went to public schools where I saw the pride-in-ignorance attitude well on display.  I think that attitude came both from the public school environment itself, and the families from which those proudly ignorant kids came.  Which is the primary cause, the family or the public school to which the family sends its kids?  Dunno, good question.  One thing I know is that the kids I went to K-6 with, they came from families who wanted their kids to LEARN and I don&#8217;t recall a single classmate who sought or treasured that proudly ignorant status.  And I don&#8217;t think my lack of recollection is due to a bad memory; I think that&#8217;s how it really was.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid public schools have grown much, much worse.  My present job is serving as a counselor of sorts to kids in middle and high school, and the crap that passes for &#8220;education&#8221; in the public schools in my town&#8230; ridiculous.  It&#8217;s more like a breeding ground for apathetic ignorance.</p>
<p>The process of changing social attitudes in this field we&#8217;re discussing, it&#8217;s not a quick-turnaround project.  It&#8217;s a generational project, one that would require teaching in a totally different manner.  I think Socratic learning is the best, at least for those whose intellectual capacities will tolerate it.  If it were up to me to create an educational system for Americans, I would make Socratic learning the centerpiece of such teaching.  By its very nature, Socratic Method encourages independent, self-reliant analysis of the subject matter, it encourages self-confidence, it encourages curiosity, it encourages one to have the type of mind that is skeptical, holistic, and eager to learn.</p>
<p>The main problem I see with that approach is that most public school teachers I know don&#8217;t want to work that hard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Empathic Civilization by fwoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have any ideas on what needs to happen to our culture for us to treasure knowledge instead of denigrating it? So many people I know are proud of their ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have any ideas on what needs to happen to our culture for us to treasure knowledge instead of denigrating it? So many people I know are proud of their ignorance.</p>
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